The Past and Present of Croydon's London Road

1 London Road: The Old Fox & Hounds

23 November 2012

The Old Fox and Hounds stands on a corner site at the very southern end of London Road, just across the street from West Croydon station. With an exterior little changed from Victorian days, it’s yet another piece of history still visible in today’s Croydon.

The Old Fox & Hounds, 1 London Road, November 2012. Photo: author's own.

The pub has been here since the mid-1800s at least. One source states that it arrived in West Croydon around 1800, having moved from a previous location on the High Street, though I’m reluctant to claim this as a proven fact since I haven’t found independent evidence of it.[1].

What I can be fairly confident in stating is that land at the London Road site was purchased in 1835 by James and Thomas Turner, who leased it five years later to Edmund and William Calvert of the Calvert brewing family. The 1841 census lists a John Smith as “inn keeper” on the west side of the road (though no addresses are given at this early date). The 1844 tithe map shows a building in the current location, listed as “Croydon Station Inn”, assigned to John Tippett. The 1851 census lists a John Tebbutt as “victualler”, and a street directory from the same year has John Tebbutt as “licensed victualler” at the “Fox & Hounds”. So despite the vagaries of 19th century spelling, the Fox & Hounds has certainly existed under that name since at least 1851.[2]

In 1877 the pub was sold at auction to the City of London Brewery Co, a successor company to Calvert’s, the former tenants. By 1951 it had changed hands again and was now owned by Charringtons. Charringtons merged with Bass in 1967 to form Bass Charrington Ltd, and finally Greene King bought the site from Bass on 1 January 1994.[3] The Greene King purchase may have been the point at which the name changed from the Fox & Hounds to the Old Fox & Hounds; a photo taken 7 months earlier shows that as of June 1993 the signs on the frontage still read “Fox and Hounds”.[4] Greene King still own the pub today, though it's leased to Dempsey Taverns, who also run a number of other pubs and bars in the area.[5]

A coloured drawing of the left-hand side of the pub above, with “front elevation” written beneath it in capital letters.
Drawing of the Fox & Hounds, taken from an 1840 deed. Reproduced by kind permission of Greene King.

The deed recording the 1840 lease to the Calverts includes a colour drawing of the pub (see illustration). It’s clear from this that many features of the frontage have been retained to the present day, but the drawing also omits the right-hand side of the modern building, suggesting that this side of the pub is a later addition. How much later, I’m not sure, though a newspaper photo from 1894 shows the extension in place.[6]

Like many pubs, the Fox & Hounds was once divided into two sides: a public bar and a saloon bar, with the saloon bar offering a more refined experience. The public bar was on the left-hand side, in the original building, while the saloon bar was to the right, in the later-added extension.[7] Today, there’s free passage between left and right with no need to go outside and back in again, though in common with many other previously-divided pubs, the two sides still retain a slightly different ambience.

The Fox & Hounds in the early 20th century. “J. L. Denton” on the frontage refers to the licensed victualler, Judith Denton, who according to Ward’s street directories had the pub from c.1900 to c.1925. Image provided by and used with the permission of Martin Carroll, who owns the original negative.

The reason the pub was named the Fox & Hounds was most likely some original connection with foxhunting, possibly via the landlord or owner’s personal interest. As is often the case with interestingly-named pubs, the name has continued to resonate in various features of the pub over the years. According to one (non-contemporary) source, as of 1874 the landlord “provided hunting facilities for the guests”, and kept stables at the rear.[8] The stables were still there in 1892, with a newspaper advertisement from that year boasting that “The Livery and Bait Stables have now every attention.”[9]

The Old Fox & Hounds, c.1998. Photograph © Brian Mortimer, used under Creative Commons cc-by.

Echoes of this remain even in the current century. A newspaper clipping found in the Local Studies Library (undated and unattributed, but probably from between 1998 and 2009[10]) reports on the pub’s reopening after a major refurbishment that included the creation of a “stable-themed garden”. Today, a sign pointing the way “to the stables” is still visible on a ceiling beam inside the pub.

Side view of the Old Fox & Hounds, 1 London Road, November 2012. Photo: author’s own.

After learning about the long history of the pub — two centuries in West Croydon — I was also interested to find out more about the place today. Roy, who’s been manager of the Old Fox & Hounds since taking over earlier this year, was kind enough to spare some of his time for a chat over a pint.

Given the proximity of the pub to West Croydon station, I was keen to ask about what type of customers can generally be found in the pub — regulars or passing trade? The answer, it turns out, is both. While there are plenty of regulars who live locally, the pub is also used by shoppers, commuters, and people waiting for taxis from the minicab firm opposite. There’s generally a surge of business from after-work o’clock until around 9pm on weeknights, as people return from their jobs elsewhere in London and have a drink or two before heading home and leaving the place to the die-hard regulars.

According to Roy, the strength of the Old Fox & Hounds is in the people who drink there. He’s not trying to compete with the 15 handpumps at the Ship of Fools a few doors down (the only real ale on sale here is Greene King IPA), but instead finds that the camaraderie between the customers is what keeps people coming back. People bond with each other here; they make new friends and find other people they can be open and comfortable with.

Roy is careful to keep order in the pub; over three decades of experience in the licensed trade has taught him how to recognise and head off trouble before it starts. He doesn’t find a need to employ door staff, and considers the pub to be aimed at a different market than the late-night bars of the town centre — its appeal is mainly to those aged 25 and up, and there’s no entry after 10:30pm.[11]

At the bar, I talked with a couple of brothers who’ve been regulars at the pub for over 50 years; they recalled that it was a firmly Irish pub when they started drinking there. The Old Fox & Hounds still has a strong Irish clientele (and sells a fair amount of Guinness), but Roy told me that these days the diversity of the area is reflected in his customers, with people from all backgrounds drinking and mingling together.

As a real ale drinker, I wouldn’t normally choose a Greene King pub over any other. Although it’s generally a safe bet that a Greene King pub will have at least one handpump offering their flagship ale (Greene King IPA), guest ales are less common — and to be honest, I find their IPA a bit bland.[12] But contrary to what some people seem to think, there’s more to a pub than the drinking. In a good pub, you feel welcome, as though you belong; you feel special, as though you matter. One of the essential ingredients of a good pub is a good publican — and as I found out during my chat with Roy, that’s something the Old Fox & Hounds certainly doesn’t lack. Here’s to another 200 years!

Thanks to: all at the Croydon Local Studies Library; the press office and property team at Greene King; Dempsey Taverns; Brian Mortimer; Ewan Munro of Pubology; Martin Carroll; Roy, Peter, and Paddy at the Old Fox & Hounds; and my beta-readers Antonia, bob, Helen, Kat, Shuri, and Steve.

Footnotes and references

  1. Information on the c.1800 move comes from T M James, The Inns of Croydon, MA dissertation (Leicester), 1969. James also says the pub was renamed from the Red Lion to the Fox & Hounds in the mid-1700s while still in the High Street. Clarence G Paget's “By-Ways in the History of Croydon” supplies the additional detail that the Red Lion was located on the south side of Smith’s Yard, and that as of 1928 the building had “just been pulled down to make room for the offices of the Pearl Assurance Company”. Ronald Bannerman’s Old Inns of Croydon (1930) confirms this: “the last vestige of this old inn disappeared when recently, as Gomm's, and Staples's old picture shop, it was demolished to make way for modern offices.”
  2. Information on the 1835 purchase supplied by Greene King. Information on the 1840 lease to the Calverts taken from a scanned copy of the relevant deed, also supplied by Greene King. 1841 and 1851 census information supplied by Ewan Munro. 1844 tithe map consulted at the Croydon Local Studies Library. Street directory information taken from Gray’s 1851 directory. I should note also that Peter Walker’s Croydon and its Pubs 2 — a Century of Pubs and Publicans 1839–1939 claims that the Fox & Hounds was “open by 1843 as RAILWAY HOTEL”, but this may be a confusion with the Railway Hotel opposite East Croydon station, which was built in 1841 and demolished in 1980.
  3. Information on the 1877 and 1994 purchases, the Bass/Charringtons merger, and the ownership as of 1951 was supplied by Greene King. Information on the connection between Calvert’s and the City of London Brewery Co comes from Grace’s Guide, which states that the latter was set up in 1860 specifically to acquire Calvert’s.
  4. Photo PH/96 2637 in the Local Studies Library, dated 3 June 1993.
  5. Daniel Dempsey of Dempsey Taverns first took over the pub in 1993, under a temporary agreement with Bass Charrington. When Greene King bought the freehold in January 1994, he signed a long lease with them, and continued to run the pub with his wife and two sons until retiring due to ill health in 2008. Today, his son Donal is in charge, with Roy as manager. (All information in this footnote was provided by Mr Dempsey’s office.)
  6. Photo PH/96 2569 in the Local Studies Library, newspaper clipping dated 1894.
  7. I don’t know whether the division into two bars was created at the same time as the extension was built. The physical division lasted into the latter half of the 20th century; one of the regulars I spoke to said he remembered it that way.
  8. Croydon Advertiser, 28 April 1961. The reporter gives no references, and I haven’t found any primary sources to confirm, but John Judd’s “Pubs of Croydon” states (again without references) that the landlord in 1874 “kept packs of fox hounds”. If one believes T M James’ assertion that the pub has been called the Fox & Hounds since the mid-1700s, this instance of hunting can’t be the original reason for the name.
  9. A copy of this advertisement appears in Peter Walker’s Croydon and its Pubs 1 — A brief history. It was placed by David Oliver, described by Walker as “the go-ahead proprietor”. Another advert, labelled in the Local Studies Library as “CC 31/12/1892” (“CC” is probably the Croydon Chronicle), states that “Mr Oliver begs respectfully to inform the Residents of Croydon and its neighbourhood that he has purchased the old-established wine & spirit business known as the Fox & Hounds, London Road, West Croydon, of the late Proprietor, Mr John Goodman.” Street directories show that David Oliver remained at the Fox & Hounds for around 5 years, until c.1896, after which it passed to Geoffrey Denton until c.1900 and then Mrs Denton until c.1925.
  10. The article mentions David Elliott as “Green [sic] King Pub Partners' managing director”; according to Companies House he was a director of Greene King plc from 1998 to 2010.
  11. Cf. John Judd’s personal recollections of the pub, in his Pubs of Croydon: “[…] the manager then [in 1993] was Trevor Price, who once ran the Mitre in Canterbury Road. Mr Price ran a well and [sic] organised establishment. In those days he closed the pub at 8pm this was because when he took over the Fox had some problems, with drugs etc. Trevor Price had a good approach with people, he was a very nice man, and would do anything for you.”
  12. However, GKIPA certainly appeals to many real ale drinkers, and in fact won the gold medal in the Bitter class of CAMRA’s Champion Beer of Britain competition in 2004, despite some controversy.
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